Chris:
Our minds are very powerful and if we continue to tell ourselves we’re not worthy, then we will think we’re not worthy. But sometimes, it’s as simple as going for a walk or drinking some more water or just minor changes to our diet that really have a profound effect on our whole being. Join us for another episode as we talk more about this.
Chris:
All right. Welcome, everyone, to another episode of the Get Overit podcast. I am your host, Dr. Christopher Fasano. We have another great guest and episode today. Before we begin, if you’re enjoying the show, please remember to subscribe to your favorite pod player, Apple podcast, Google podcast or even YouTube if you prefer to watch these videos, these episodes in video format. Leave us a review, it really helps the show and let us know what you think of the show and how we can improve the show.
Chris:
So, our guest on today’s podcast is Adam Badger of Badger Strength. Adam, welcome to the Get Overit podcast.
Adam:
What’s up, man? Thanks for having me.
Chris:
No problem. All right. So, like we do with all of our guests for the Get Overit podcast, I want you to start by introducing yourself, what you do and then, we’ll talk about your journey there. Then, by that time, we’ll get into good conversation about what’s going on in your world. All right?
Adam:
Awesome.
Chris:
So, tell me a little bit about yourself, where you’re from and what’s going on.
Adam:
I’m actually originally from Queens, New York.
Chris:
Awesome, nice.
Adam:
I moved up to upstate New York when I was about 17. I own a personal training and online fitness coaching company called Badger Strength, that’s the original name. My online coaching business is called Consistent Coaching and I’m prepping for a whole new launch and reframing that whole process. Yeah, that’s me in a nutshell.
Chris:
So, you moved from Queens?
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
So, you were there until you were 17? So, you grew up-
Adam:
Sorry, my bad. Queens till I was 10 then Long Island till I was 17.
Chris:
Okay.
Adam:
So, downstate.
Chris:
But you’re downstate?
Adam:
Downstate. If I talk fast the accent will start to come out.
Chris:
I’m from downstate. So, I’m no different.
Adam:
Where are you from?
Chris:
I’m from Rockland County.
Adam:
All right, nice.
Chris:
So, I mean anything past Harriman on the thruway is considered upstate to us.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
Once people get out there like, “You’re in Albany? Man, that’s far. That’s upstate.” I’m like, “Dude, it’s not upstate, really? Is it?” They’re like, “Oh, yeah. You’re way far.”
Adam:
When I first moved to upstate New York, I moved to Clifton Park and, when anyone from downstate asked me where it moved, I would say Albany because I thought it sounded better than Clifton Park. It sounded less suburban.
Chris:
I never watched the show, my wife used to watch Sex in the City and they did an episode where they went upstate to Suffern, New York. Now, Suffern, New York is where I’m from, it’s in Rockland County and they depicted it on the show.
Adam:
Oh, no. Yeah.
Chris:
It was in the middle of nowhere.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
It was woods and farm and I’m like, “This is nothing like where I’m from. We don’t have woods like that.” That’s just if you live outside of the boroughs or the island, anywhere past the Tappan Zee Bridge-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… you’re considered a farm guy and it’s weird how that is.
Adam:
It’s so true, though. Actually, there’s phases to it. So, there’s city city.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, it’s Manhattan, Brooklyn also.
Chris:
You’re like a whole nother breed there.
Adam:
Yeah. Then it moves into more suburban [crosstalk 00:02:55] area, then it’s Long Island, which is the opposite because that [crosstalk 00:02:59].
Chris:
Yeah, it has its own world.
Adam:
So, if you go out from the middle, it gets less and less city as you describe it.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
So, then, upstate New York will be the epitome of the non-city peoples.
Chris:
Wow. Now, were you always into fitness? Was it always a part of your life or when did you really start to take hold with fitness?
Adam:
So, when I was around 12.
Chris:
Okay.
Adam:
Not in a way of-
Chris:
Not hardcore?
Adam:
Yeah, we’ll dig into that a little bit. So, basically, I was a really skinny kid.
Chris:
Same.
Adam:
But then it takes a little M. Night Shyamalan twist in the middle. I was a skinny kid up until I moved to Long Island and then I went from walking everywhere to, now, not walking everywhere but no changes in nutrition because I’m a kid, I don’t know any better.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, I’m still drinking soda and-
Chris:
So, you’re gaining weight?
Adam:
Gaining a lot of unwanted weight, going into a new school, into middle school-
Chris:
Okay.
Adam:
… and I start to have interest in girls, things like that. So, I’m the overweight new kid who, also, wore very varied clothes and had bleached blonde hair.
Chris:
I understand.
Adam:
So, not very popular with the ladies and very insecure.
Chris:
Okay.
Adam:
So, I started just simply not drinking soda, not eating dessert and my mom bought me a set of five-pound dumbbells and I just started exercising.
Chris:
Okay. So, it grew out of but you had some awareness-
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
… and recognition that, “The way I look is affecting the way I feel and affecting the way people may perceive me, so I want to make a change.”
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
Which is a major step. I don’t think people realize that, but it’s a major step and you had that pretty young.
Adam:
Yeah, and I think that there’s a lot of pros to that in the sense of, after that, it just remained a consistent part of my life. Now, I’m 31, so that’s almost 20 years. The downside to it was that because I didn’t have any guidance through it-
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
… I developed a very unhealthy relationship with fitness and food at a young age-
Chris:
Okay.
Adam:
… because I associated it with either making me skinny or making me fat.
Chris:
Okay. So, it was only about appearance really?
Adam:
In the beginning, yes. It was literally just I am insecure, I don’t like how I look in clothes, I don’t like what I look at pictures, people call me chubby. Now that I have a son, if I was to ever watch him go through that, I know how it would break my heart. So, at that young age, I think your parents, especially my mom, was just anything she could do it help, she’d do. So, she was trying to grasp at straws. “Well, stop drinking soda, stop eating dessert, start exercising.” All good advice but at a very young age. Then, I just started associating dessert with getting fat. So, it took me a while-
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
… to actually develop a healthy relationship with food.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
Nowadays, I can eat a piece of cake and not feel guilty about it-
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
… and I know how to fit that into my lifestyle.
Chris:
And that’s one of the hardest things, I think. I was talking to Adam before we started, I worked for a fitness business before this and they had a coaching program, a macro type coaching program. And at the time when I was in it I’m like, “This is great.” But I also saw a lot of negative, seen a lot of that stuff, too. And it’s very hard because people associate fitness, working out, eating well to their appearance and you should. I mean it has a direct effect on that.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
A lot of people that work out and try to diet or eat in different ways are doing it because they want to look a certain way but it can’t be and it shouldn’t be the only reason why. Right?
Adam:
Oh, yeah. 100%.
Chris:
So, do you find that when you work with clients, are they coming to you because they have weight problems primarily and then it’s your job or, maybe through the process, they realize there’s more to this like their mental health, their emotional-well being?
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Do you see a change or do some people come to you because they’re just like, “I’m unhappy in my life in general.”? Talk to me about what you see.
Adam:
So, I’ve worked with, no exaggeration, definitely hundreds, if not, close to the thousand mark of people. I’ve been doing this for almost 10 years now full time. So, there’s definitely a spectrum but I would say, majority of the time, broad stroke, the impetus that gets them to start is either an appearance, self-confidence issue or a health-related issue. So-
Chris:
Okay.
Adam:
… most times it’s going to be someone who is very unhappy, doesn’t like the way they look and want to make a change or it’s going to be someone who has some health scare.
Chris:
Like high blood pressure-
Adam:
High blood pressure-
Chris:
… something like that. Okay.
Adam:
… or maybe just, now, all of a sudden, they’re 45 and they realize things are harder. So, there’s going to be some impetus but, I guess, most of the time, it’s going to be appearance related. And then, through the process of coaching, again, the easy way to do my job would be someone comes in trying to lose weight, you get them to lose 10 to 15 pounds and send them off happy, that would be the easiest thing to do.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
Because all you have to do is cut, just what I did when I was 12, you cut food-
Chris:
Right, right. You cut.
Adam:
… and move more.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
But the whole transformation happens more mentally mindset, emotionally, understanding that there’s way more to fitness than losing weight.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
So, yes, I agree with your point, there’s way more, it’s not always apparent to people when they first start which is why-
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
… people usually shop for fitness only based on price. You know what I mean?
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
I’m going to get this $10 membership or this $20 workout program because they’re just associating it with the weight loss results.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
Once they understand the-
Chris:
Right and they want to quit.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
… like a lot of people do. People want to lose weight in 30 days, they want to lose 10 pounds. But then, with the other thing, though, sustainability. So, if you’re going to cut hard and lose 15 pounds in a crazy amount of time by cutting all these things out, what we always say is there has to be a way where it’s sustainable over the long haul.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
You have to be able to find a … I don’t want to call it a diet but you have to be able to find a lifestyle that you can engage with and utilize every day of your life as long as you live. And it’s very difficult to maintain a cut where you’re shredding, that’s not real life.
Adam:
No.
Chris:
So,talk to me about that. There is a place for losing weight if you’re overweight and you’re trying to lose weight quickly. But then, there’s also a sustainability part where it’s not going to be the same thing. So, talk a little bit about that.
Adam:
So, the sustainability part is, by far, the most important part. So, anytime someone’s thinking about starting nutrition or fitness, my initial question is just, “Whatever you’re planning on starting, ask yourself, can I do this for 10 years?”
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
And if the answer is no, then it’s probably not the right thing for you.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, if someone says, “I’m going to eliminate carbs.” “Okay. Well, do you see yourself being able to do that in 10 years?” “Oh, I don’t know. I really like bread.” “Okay. Well, let’s find a way to fit bread into your lifestyle.”
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, I think the sustainability aspect is huge, it’s just not talked about enough because it’s not sexy, it’s not very marketable. So, if you talk to someone about how to lose 20 pounds in 30 days, that’ll grab their attention. If you talk to someone about how to sustainably live a better life for 50 years, it’s like, “Yeah, okay, I’ll get to that because I got 50 years. I’ll get to it when I get to it.”
Chris:
Right, right.
Adam:
So, my approach to this is to really slow down the … Actually and, again, makes me not a great salesperson but as a coach-
Chris:
Right. Just-
Adam:
… slow down the weight loss process.
Chris:
… we’ll get there kind of thing. Right?
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, for most people I work with, coming in, we don’t get right to weight loss right away. First thing we got to do for most people is restore their metabolism. Most people have-
Chris:
That’s correct.
Adam:
… destroyed metabolisms.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, we have to spend a little bit of, not to get too deep into the boring stuff, but spend a decent amount of time-
Chris:
Oh, man. This is the stuff.
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
A lot of people are interested about that because I think metabolism is something that people hear about and they’re like, “Well, I don’t eat anything at all. Why am I losing weight?” Well, it’s because you don’t have any metabolism.
Adam:
So, that’s a good point. So, I’ll riff on that for a second because I have this conversation 20 times a week. So, most overweight people that I’ve worked with in my life, the first thing they tell me is they don’t really eat that much.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
That seems to be a very common thread. But what happens is most people eat more calories than they think they do-
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
… they just don’t eat-
Chris:
That is true.
Adam:
… a large volume of food.
Chris:
That is so true.
Adam:
So, what happens is they don’t have a big appetite because their metabolism is very slow and they don’t have a lot of lean muscle mass so their metabolism slows down. So, now, they’re only burning a lower amount of calories because they’ve shut down their metabolism over the course of 20 years of chronic dieting, sedentary life, blah, blah, blah. Then what happens is, somewhere along the week, the tipping point comes where it’s the weekend and they look back and they’re like, “Oh, I barely eaten all week and I’m going to enjoy pizza or whatever.”
Chris:
I’m just going to go nuts. Yeah, right.
Adam:
And not even go nuts for most people. It’s literally just they don’t eat all day, they get to dinner and they’re like, “Oh, I’m starving.”And then, behaviorally they go, “Well, I haven’t eaten all day, I can be a little more lenient.”
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
But lenient for them might be eating a 3,000 calorie meal.
Chris:
Correct. And if they’re like, “I’ll have three slices of pizza, that’s not a lot of slices of pizza.”
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
It’s three slices but, calorically-
Adam:
It’s huge.
Chris:
… it’s huge.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, one of the comparisons I make is, and this is not as broad of a difference but it actually is very helpful, a handful of almonds is 300 calories.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
To eat 300 calories of pineapple, you’d have to eat two pounds of pineapple.
Chris:
Correct, correct.
Adam:
So, people just look at quantity, they don’t look at how many calories are in it.
Chris:
Dude, this is wild. So, I learned this when I first started to do macroing. So, for just everybody out there, and you could probably speak to this a little better than me, but I got so into it is that you have macronutrient and then micro. Right?
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
So, on macro we’re talking big level. Carbs, fats, proteins.
Adam:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Chris:
And then in micro, you’re getting into the nitty gritty of all the different micronutrients that are involved.
Adam:
Vitamins and minerals.
Chris:
Correct. So, what I learned, and as an Italian, what I learned-
Adam:
I’m half Italian.
Chris:
What I learned in macroing is, like you said, you might not think you’re eating a lot, the stuff you eat could be very caloric. For example, olive oil.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
So, as an Italian, you just-
Adam:
Drizzle it, yeah.
Chris:
You could drizzle that maybe all over everything.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
But what I realized is that one tablespoon of olive oil is 14 grams, I think, of fat.
Adam:
Of fat, yeah.
Chris:
Now, 14 grams of fat is about 125 calories or something like that.
Adam:
Around that, yeah.
Chris:
Around that, right? So, think about that. If my target is 1,800 calories and I have a tablespoon of olive oil, I’m 10% of my way to my goal for the day. And that’s if I’m weighing out a tablespoon of olive oil and, most likely, I don’t. So, I started to realize that. Obviously, people measure things. That’s another story. You want to get to a point in life where you’re not measuring but you understand. But I realized at that point how excessive you can be without trying to be excessive.
Adam:
Yeah, without trying.
Chris:
People are like, “Well, I’m not trying to eat that much.” Or you go in there and there’s Halloween candy around, you have a Kit Kat. You just ate 200 and something calories in one little Kit Kat.
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
You’re not realizing that but, now, I’m 20% towards my caloric goal.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
So, like you’re saying, you think you’re not being excessive.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
“I just had one Kit Kat,” but calorically-
Adam:
You’re not paying attention.
Chris:
… it’s excessive.
Adam:
So, I have, probably, a mental notebook full of analogies that I use depending on the client that I’m talking to. But the one universal analogy that works is comparing it to just finances, to money because everyone has a certain budget, right? So, the way I think about it is it’s the difference between paying for something in cash versus credit. So, when you’re paying in cash, you have to actually count out the money and hand it over, you’re more conscious of your decisions.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
When you got your mom’s credit card…
Chris:
Right. Like, “Yeah, man. I’m just going to buy that thing.”
Adam:
… it’d be just like boom, swipe, swipe, swipe and you’re not realizing the consequence.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, with a lot of people, you’re very correct, they look at it as either I’m tracking and I’m being perfect or I’m literally mindlessly eating all the time. My job is to find the middle ground.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, I actually don’t have my clients track macros because, for most people, it gets too stressful.
Chris:
They get frustrated.
Adam:
Yes. I have them pay attention to just calories and protein.
Chris:
Yup.
Adam:
Because if you’re just paying attention in those two things, you get the same result with less stress. And then the exit strategy is, as we’re done working together, is to identify the habits and the foods that they enjoy and they like to eat that can fit into those categories or into those barriers and develop habits around that.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, what I find is most people already have habits in place and they have regular foods that they eat, they just don’t realize it. They go to the same Stewarts every day and they get an egg sandwich. They go to the same restaurants every Friday, Saturday, Sunday and order one of three meals on that. So, they already have routine-
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
… the routine has no accountability to it. They just feel like they’re doing whatever they want but they’re doing the same thing all the time.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, if you can get them to do the same thing all the time but make healthier choices and not feel constrained, it’s a more sustainable lifestyle.
Chris:
Correct. And the one other thing that I learned by doing this was the difference between … I don’t want to make this all about this concept-
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
… because there’s other things I want to talk to you about but I think people would find it interesting. The premise is that as a being, as an animal, we require a certain amount of energy to be.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And that’s our, what is it? Our basal metabolic rate.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
We’re burning a certain amount of energy that’s required for us to function.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
Let’s call that 2,000 calories, which is an energy gauge. So, in order for you to lose weight, you need to consume less calories than you require.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
So, if you require 2,000 and you’re eating 1,600-
Adam:
You should lose weight.
Chris:
… you should, over time, you’re losing weight. That’s the premise of what it is. And if you’re eating 2,500 calories and you only need 2,000, you’re taking in more than you need so your body’s going to store it for later and that storage can form in the forms of fat or it can be immobilized. So, that’s the premise. So, when you’re looking at that, the problem I started to see was that if I was being super restrictive, super caloric restricted, you would crave. I would crave more, right?
Adam:
Immediately, yeah.
Chris:
So, then, what happens is I gear my macros, I save my money, if you will, for a brownie sundae.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
So, I say to myself, “I have 1,600 calories allotted for today. I’m going to eat 200 calories of healthy food and then I’m going to blow 1,400 calories later on a brownie sundae.”
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
I’ll still hit my macro number, so I’ll still lose weight. So, I can eat like that every day and still lose weight. The problem is micro-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… that isn’t good for me because I’m consuming 80 grams of sugar which is terrible for your heart, terrible for-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
So, that’s where the balance has to come in, right?
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
And so, when you become so rigid in the macro number, the counting, sometimes I feel like you crave and you can lose sight. So, it comes back to this holistic approach on eating a well-balanced, not too high, not too low but our well-balanced, sustainable diet.
Adam:
Well, yeah. So, basically, you program machines but you need to coach human beings. So, you can program the perfect calorie macro count to a human being or you can program the perfect workout for them. But if you don’t get into the psychology behind it and to them as an individual, you can’t coach the process. So, that’s my job is to coach the process. So, for example, if you were to start someone on a diet and you were to say, “Okay, for the next 30 days, you can’t drink wine.” Immediately, day one, they’re going to want wine.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
But if I tell a client, this is real, this has happened before, “Yeah, you can drink wine every night, it just has to fit into your calories.” They will push back at me and go, “Well, no, I’m not going to drink wine every night.” I’m like, “Okay, but you can if you want to.”
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
That allowance and that permission decreases the cravings and they already start doing it less. I’ve had people who start with me and they said that they’re drinking three drinks every night, three alcoholic drinks every night and I tell them, “Okay, you can still drink that but you just have to fit in your calories,” because they have that permission, I’ve had people just cut down to once tonight or maybe they didn’t drink for a month. And I’m telling them the whole time, “Hey, you can have the drinks-“
Chris:
Right, you can have the drinks but-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… fit it into your allotment.
Adam:
Fit it in. So, there’s this huge misunderstanding about flexible dieting or If It Fits Your Macros. The misunderstanding is that I can eat whatever I want as long as I hit my macros or I hit my calories. That’s not true, like the example you gave about the brownie sundae. The purpose of tracking is to give you an idea of how much you need and then to find the foods that give you the most bang for your buck health wise-
Chris:
Right, that’s what it is.
Adam:
… 80% of the time.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
The other 20%, you can have the brownie sundae, you can have the glass of wine.
Chris:
Correct. But you can’t be 20/80. You can’t be 20% it’s good and then the 80% blow it all-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… on something that’s bad. That works against what you’re trying to do.
Adam:
And that’s funny. Well, I’d say I’m probably 60/40 female to male ratio of clients, maybe 70/30. I tend to work with more females. So, majority of the time when I intake a female client, we go over the whole process, the whole intake process. Anyway, again, their initial calorie count. More times than not it’s around 17, 1,800 calories, I’m immediately hit with, “Oh, my God.”
Chris:
“This is way too much for me.”
Adam:
“This is way too much.”
Chris:
Yup, all the time.
Adam:
I’m going to eat this, I’m going to gain weight.
Chris:
Right, correct.
Adam:
I’m going to get fat-
Chris:
All the time.
Adam:
… and what they don’t realize is that-
Chris:
All the time.
Adam:
… they have probably been eating 26, 27, 2,800 calories-
Chris:
All the time.
Adam:
… all the time.
Chris:
My wife used to do it all the time.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
She’d be like, “1,900 calories?” And she’s very fit, she works out every day. She’s like, “There’s no way I can eat this much food.”
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And I’m like-
Adam:
You could if it was pizza.
Chris:
… “You had two Kit Kats earlier, you’re almost halfway there.”
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
You just don’t realize what you’re doing.
Adam:
You don’t realize, yeah.
Chris:
But when you start to do that, you’re eating more clean foods so it seems like a lot more to hit that number.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
It’s so funny, that always happens.
Adam:
I deal with that all the time. And I had someone tell me, she said, “You know, I can’t eat 1,600 calories a day. I’m more of a 1,200-calorie girl.” I said, “Okay. Well, when was the last time you ate 1,200 calories?” And she said, “The last time I tracked food.” This is someone who’s a new client I hadn’t worked with before.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
“Okay. Well, I think that’s way too low. When you were eating 1,200 calories, how many days per week did you track and you knew [crosstalk 00:20:48] eating?”
Chris:
Exactly, right.
Adam:
So, “Five days a week.” I said, “How many weeks?” “Three weeks.” “And you tracked everything?”
Chris:
Well-
Adam:
“Well, if I had a cookie, I wouldn’t track it.”
Chris:
Right, right.
Adam:
Exactly the case. You weren’t eating 1,200.
Chris:
Nobody tracks everything-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… unless you’re really hardcore but that’s the thing. Like that olive oil I talked about, you might be tracking your big, your chicken portion but you’re not tracking the dressings and the oils and the things that are adding to that. So, I agree that that always happens. One question I think a lot of people would always ask is alcohol in general.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
A glass of wine or a beer or people would say, “We drink straight liquor,” and then it’s not. So, calorically, if you read the back of vodka, it’ll say no carbs but there’s calories in that.
Adam:
Yes. Okay, that’s a really-
Chris:
So, can you explain that to people? Because right now they’re listening and are like, “So, if I have a vodka with club soda, it’s free.”
Adam:
Yes. So, that’s one main reason why I don’t track macros, I track calories and protein because the calories have to come from somewhere.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, just because something has no carbs doesn’t mean it has no calories, right?
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
And calories are what cause weight loss or weight gain, it’s not carbs.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
You can eat five-
Chris:
Carbs is just a method of calorie.
Adam:
You could eat 500 carbs a day and be lean. Most lean people eat high carbs-
Chris:
Right, yeah.
Adam:
… because they’re fueling muscle and hard workouts. So, anyway, when it comes to alcohol, to just simplify it for everyone is, if you are tracking and you’re trying to be aware of calorie intake, track the calories, make sure you’re aware of the amount that you’re having. For example, there’s 25 ounces in a bottle of wine. So, if you have half a bottle of wine, it’s 12.5 ounces. Know that. Don’t just say, “I had two glasses of wine,” because that could mean anything. Your pour is different than my pour is different than Adam’s pour.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, yeah. So, just pay attention to the calories on that. On the flip side, again, this is where the coaching process comes in. Yes, as long as you’re in a calorie deficit you will still lose weight even if you drink wine every night. But also pay attention to how does that drink affect your next day. Do you get worse sleep? Do you recover less?
Chris:
Did it dehydrate you?
Adam:
Are you having crappier workouts?
Chris:
Right, right.
Adam:
So, broad stroke, just pay attention to the calories on the alcohol. If it says zero carbs, it doesn’t mean it’s healthier alcohol-
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
… pay attention to the calories.
Chris:
Because alcohol’s caloric.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Alcohol itself.
Adam:
A White Claw has 100 calories but has no carbs.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
Where do those calories come from? It comes from the alcohol.
Chris:
It comes from the alcohol.
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
[inaudible 00:23:06] somewhere.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
People might not talk about it outwardly but every time they go to pick up that glass or they go in to eat that food, I know some people now, especially coming out of this pandemic, which I want to talk about next, are thinking about their health. At least I hope they are. So, this is something I want to talk to you about today. So, the pandemic hit and it, obviously, up ended the world. And we’ve talked a lot about why. There was a lot of terrible disease, a lot of death, too much death, it was awful. And when you look and you start to dig in, you start to hear people say things like, “Well, the majority of people that died from COVID were older, which happens a lot, their immune systems get compromised or they have what’s called another comorbidity.”
Chris:
And a comorbidity is some underlying disease but the biggest ones were obesity, diabetes and heart conditions. All of which, can be negated or helped with fitness, with being a more healthy human.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
I think that one of the things that has not been spoken about enough, and I don’t know why, coming out of the pandemic, is that the United States of America, for all of our glory and greatness, we’re not a healthy nation when you do a comparative-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… not in isolation. When you compare to other developed nations, we are not a healthy nation and it could be from a lot of things. Our healthcare is a little different, we have a lot more processed foods, we’re more likely to take up processed foods, we have income inequalities which lead us to have that but, regardless, we’re not as healthy. So, I’m hoping and I’m wondering if you’ve seen this coming out of the pandemic in your clientele or your business. Do you think that this will have a positive in some regard or people looking at their health and being like, “Man, the best defense against any disease or virus is being healthy.”
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Primarily, right?
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Obviously, we have vaccines and things that are, obviously, helpful.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
But you need to be a healthy human first. So, have you seen that coming out of the pandemic?
Adam:
Yeah, I’ve had a lot of conversations with people. I did a ton of free workouts and free seminars during 2020 when things were shut down just as a way to get-
Chris:
Keep people going, yeah.
Adam:
… people going. And I knew a lot of people, obviously, through working at gyms and being a trainer, who were very into fitness and it wasn’t people who had shredded six packs, these are everyday people who just know the benefit of working out and eating right. So, I have seen, in response to that, a lot of people more just aware of their health. And awareness can get you pretty far but action gets you away further. So, I think that when it comes to this specific situation, I think it’s woken people up to the fact of, all right, well, we don’t know if this is going to happen again. This seemed like an unheard of thing, what, two years ago, we would never pictured that.
Chris:
Right, right.
Adam:
There’s always going to be some risk around the corner and the only real control you have is the stuff you put in your body and the movement you make with your body on a regular basis. So, the short answer to your question is, yes, I have had these conversations with people, I just think it’s important for people to just not let up on the gas pedal of that mindset. As things normalize, don’t go back to what you were doing before, make small changes along the way.
Chris:
Right. We’ve had viruses since the beginning of time.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
We’ve had disease since the beginning of time and there was always a lot more death then. What has happened is we’ve had modern medicine, we’ve had this technology that has helped us become stronger in that face. But viruses, in particular, are opportunistic. They will exploit weakness, that’s their job.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Their job is to look, to find the weak and get in and, for everyone to understand, viruses don’t want to kill you, that’s not their job. In fact, if they kill you, then they die.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Their job is to keep you alive enough but sick enough that they can propagate and then have you spread it. And so, they’re opportunistic and trying to find the best host and the best host are people that are not healthy and can’t fight it off. And when you have other disease and your immune system is weak, you’re more susceptible. And so, I think that fitness, in general, we’re talking about weight loss a lot, right?
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
You want to lose weight because losing weight can be the foundation for a lot of things.
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
But it’s the other benefits. Your immune system and your overall well-being, your overall mental state and your emotional, all of that. Because if you’re depressed, if you’re overweight, depressed, all of that, you’re down, you’re more open for exploitation by these disease. So, I think that coming out of this, I really do hope that our next revolution is in wellness, all around wellness-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… whatever that is for you. It doesn’t have to be counting macros. It doesn’t have to be any of that.
Adam:
No, absolutely not.
Chris:
But whatever that is, take a look at yourself and ask yourself, “How can I be better?” And you can do that in a lot of different ways.
Adam:
Yeah, and I think it can be overwhelming to people because it’s crazy, because there’s so much information out there.
Chris:
So much now.
Adam:
And so, what’s that called? Paralysis by analysis.
Chris:
Yup.
Adam:
Over analyzing so, then, you end up not doing anything. So, realistically, I think most people know what they shouldn’t be doing but most people don’t know what they should be doing instead.
Chris:
Yup.
Adam:
So, they just continue to do what’s comfortable. So, that might be drinking too much, it might be eating too much sugar, it might be not exercising because that’s just easier to do after a long day. But honestly, it’s so profound the effect that being healthy has but it just sounds cliche coming from a fitness guy. So, again, I think my hope would be for someone or some governing body, whatever, who’s not a fitness person to start pushing this stuff more on to the general population. You know what I mean? So, for example, if The Rock goes on TV and says everyone should lift weights, there’s only a handful people that are going to take it seriously because he already [inaudible 00:29:17].
Chris:
Right, because he’s huge.
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
Obviously.
Adam:
But if you see normal, successful people implementing this stuff on a regular basis like it’s not a big deal, it’ll become less of a big deal. It doesn’t have to be this whole beast mode, I go to the gym and I crush it and I track my macros and all this stuff. It literally could just be going for a walk after dinner.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
It could just be, instead of drinking five nights a week, drinking two nights a week.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
You can start there. If you just drink more water, break a sweat a few times a week, that’ll-
Chris:
That’ll help you.
Adam:
… change a lot, yeah.
Chris:
People don’t realize that that alone is helpful. Water consumption is a big thing.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
I get bad at it. I go on these ups and downs with water but if there’s something you can do right away from all the reading that I understand is we’re made of water and need water to move everything around and water is a major way. And, I don’t know, does it affect your metabolism the more you-
Adam:
Well, yeah, the more hydrated you are, the better you’re going to just perform.
Chris:
It’s more efficient you’re going to be, right?
Adam:
Yeah, yeah. So, basically, your body doesn’t naturally just want to prioritize lean muscle and fat loss, you have to guide it in that direction.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, if you’re chronically dehydrated, sleep deprived, stressed-
Chris:
It’s got to do a lot of other things.
Adam:
… it’s got to do a lot of other things. So, at best, you’ll maintain.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
So, if you can work on these other things, it’s going to be way more important than whether or not you eat the brownie, you know what I mean? The more important stuff is the-
Chris:
Right, because you could fight that off-
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
… if you’re healthy and you’re functioning.
Adam:
If you feel good about the decisions you’re making, you’re going to be less likely to make poor decisions and this could be such a broad, multiple hour conversation because there’s so much human psychology that goes into it. It’s not just food pyramids and this and that, there’s a lot of human behavior that goes into it that’s affected by other stuff in your life that has nothing to do with fitness. For example, if you hate your job, you’re more likely to drink, you’re more likely to-
Chris:
Right. Binge eat or something, right.
Adam:
… lose sleep, all this stuff that, then, leads to poor health. It’s not just about being 20 pounds overweight. You can see someone who looks like you, great shape but they might be incredibly unhealthy. You know what I mean?
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
It doesn’t always have to do with being overweight.
Chris:
Yeah. I want to talk a little bit about your clientele and I want to understand a little bit about the range or the type of humans you interact with. Do you see a range? Do you see an age range? Do you see male female splits? I’m just wondering, is there something over represented or has that shifted at all? Is it fairly consistent in your clientele?
Adam:
So, I think it’s definitely very broad. Over the course of my career, I’ve trained 15-year-olds and I’ve trained 80-year-olds and anywhere in between. I would say, just by the nature of fitness coaching, the majority of people I run into happen to be in the age range of 40 to 55, they’re already pretty established in their career, they have the money to spend on coaching and they want to make a change or are in the position to be able to do so. So, my job, really, is to work with those clients so that I can build a business and be able to support myself so, then, I can put out more free information for people that may not be able to afford coaching because there’s a lot of crappy free information out there.
Adam:
But I do work with a lot of clients and I was talking to you about this before we started recording, I happen to stumble upon, somehow, to work with a lot of clients who are very successful in their careers. CEOs, people own very successful real estate agencies, successful law firm, CFOs and I work with these people and these people come to my garage where I have my training studio in Clifton Park. They can go train anywhere because they can afford to, but they, some reason, come to me. And the one thing I’ve learned from these people is that people who are very successful in life, whether that means career wise or maybe in their relationship, whatever it is, they prioritize things that they know are beneficial for them. So, if that means working out at 5:00 in the morning, even if they can do nothing else that day for their health, they’re going to show up to that 5:00 appointment.
Adam:
They also are self-aware enough to go, “I don’t have the accountability to do something on my own…
Chris:
Right, so they hire someone.
Adam:
… so I’m going to hire someone to do it.” So, my advice to people out there is regardless of where you’re at in life, if you can find some system that works for you, that encourages motivation or holds you accountable, you’re going to be way more likely to succeed. And that can be as simple as communicating with your partner and just letting them know that this is something that’s important to you and seeing if they’re on board for it. It could be as simple as that. It doesn’t mean you have to spend hundreds of dollars on a gym membership or a coach, it just might be asking your husband or wife to go for a walk after dinner and start there. So, finding a system of accountability and someone who’s going to hold you to that standard is very, very important.
Chris:
Right. So, if someone’s listening to this and they’ve been hesitating for a while, they have maybe recognized, bringing it back to when you were younger, remember when you were like, “I started to feel like I need to do something, something was wrong, my confidence was down,” but they’re scared, they don’t know what to do and they don’t they don’t know if they want to commit to a gym or something like that. What is the first step or a couple steps they can take to start to get into a good, healthy mindset? What are some easy things they could do just to really break it and start somewhere?
Adam:
So, my advice, right off the bat would just be, and it’s very simple stuff and it’s not sexy and people will hear it and be like, “Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but whatever,” but it works great. Is eat some sort of protein at breakfast every day, go for a walk every day. If you start there, that’s it. That’s all you have to do to start. In three months, you’ll probably be a member at a gym because it’ll start the ball rolling.
Chris:
Because you’ll start to go.
Adam:
If I tell you to go to join a gym tomorrow, maybe 10 people will go to the gym-
Chris:
Right, right.
Adam:
… maybe three of them will end up-
Chris:
Actually stay there, right.
Adam:
… sticking with it. They’ve done studies that have shown that by eating a protein source at breakfast as opposed to a carb fat source, people then made better choices throughout the day, lost more weight even if the calories were the same. Even if you ate the same amount of calories and protein as you would have in carb and fats, the fullness you’ll get from the protein and the residual effect of that self high five to start the day was, “Oh, I stuck to that goal,” will trickle into the rest of the day and you’ll make other decisions that you’ll be proud of. So, I think if there’s one thing, I guess, not to go too deep into it, but I guess if there’s one thing beyond protein and calories and all that stuff, that’s very important. But the person has to first, it sounds very holistic or whatever, but you have to actually believe that you’re worthy of being healthy. And I know that sounds weird-
Chris:
No, I’m with you on that.
Adam:
Yeah, but I think I’ve worked with a lot of people, man, and I’ve had people straight up say to me, tears in their eyes, being like, “I just feel like I don’t deserve to be healthy because I’m 50 and I’ve always been overweight or something like that.”
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
And we talk to them and we find that that childhood thing that, maybe, that’s led to that, we deal with all that stuff. But at the end of the day, if you go into it with the mindset of, “Well, I’ll try this thing but I always try things and stop,” you’re probably going to stop. You have to, at first, convince yourself that you’re worthy of being healthy. Even if you’ve been overweight for a year or 20 years, that that’s not your destination, that you don’t have to stay that way. And I wish I had a simple solution to that big problem-
Chris:
Yeah.
Adam:
… but it’s true, yeah.
Chris:
No, I think so. I think you accumulate mental baggage
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
… over time and that’s one of the hardest things to break.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
It really is. But once you get to that point and you start to see it, that’s when you really should really jump on it.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Like you said, “Okay, I get it.” Like you said, do something small, go for a walk. I like to tell people, too, what helps is write it down.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
What did I do today? Like, “Oh, today, I took a walk and I ate this.” And then, what that does is if you fall back into a rut, you have something to physically look back on and be like, “Remember those days where I felt better? What did I do? Oh, I went for a walk. I did that,” and it’s like, “Great, I can do that again.” So, I think it’s just people don’t always want to go into the gym and just start there. It’s very intimidating.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
I know that from just working at a gym, that was one of the biggest things I heard. Like, “People are going to look at me. I don’t know what to do.” And we will try to say that’s not true but it doesn’t matter. I get that.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
It’s completely-
Adam:
It’s true in your mind.
Chris:
Correct.
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
So, as long as it’s correct in your mind, it’s that way. So, start simple and don’t be a hero, as I always say.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
Start simple but start somewhere.
Adam:
Start somewhere.
Chris:
Don’t let it keep going and going and going. But like anything else, the older you get and the later you start, the harder it is.
Adam:
Yeah, absolutely. The best way to be in shape in your 40s is to get in shape in your 20s. The second best way is to just start-
Chris:
Start today.
Adam:
… today, yeah.
Chris:
It’s like saving for your retirement.
Adam:
Yeah, man.
Chris:
The earlier you start, the more money you’ll have. But just because you’re 40 you haven’t started doesn’t mean you can’t start now.
Adam:
So, it’s interesting you brought that up because, not to go off on a tangent, but that’s something that might just to relate to people. I’m sure you’ve had mental hurdles that you’ve had to get over in your life.
Chris:
Yes.
Adam:
I don’t know if you share any on the show but I know it’s called Get Overit, so there’s probably some aspect of that. But I know, for me, that was a huge thing growing into adulthood was having that poor person mindset from growing up, growing up without money and all that stuff. Going into adulthood, I just assumed that that was normal. So, I subconsciously made decisions in my early 20s that always was leading me back to being broke, all the stuff. And it wasn’t until I was able to fully convince myself through action and looking at evidence in my life that your decisions determine your future. So, I waited way too long to start an IRA, I waited way too long to start my business and, to be honest with you, to give her a huge shout out, it wasn’t until I started dating my now wife that I started to realize that I could do more with my life than what I was doing.
Chris:
She helped you get over it.
Adam:
She absolutely did because she’s a very determined, hardworking individual who just knows the life she wants and is going for it. I don’t believe in gender roles but as the guy in the relationship I’m like, “Well, I need to step up my game, too, because I’m not going to be coasting by.” So, she motivates me, I motivate her and, now, I have a home, my own business, I’m married, we have a beautiful son. Literally five years ago, I would have not done any of these things, I would not have had them on my list. I didn’t want to get married, I didn’t want to have kids, all this stuff because I just convinced myself that I wasn’t worthy of that life and happiness.
Adam:
So, to relate back to what we’re talking about with your health, if you’re used to just constantly being told, “You’re sick, take medicine. Oh, you’re overweight, it’s okay to eat this,” or whatever, convince yourself that fitness people are evil because they’re just vanity and all that stuff, you’re going to keep pulling away.
Chris:
Feeding a bad narrative.
Adam:
Feeding a bad narrative.
Chris:
Yeah.
Adam:
Exactly. So, if I told myself my whole life, “Oh, nothing ever works out, I meant to be broke,” I would never be in a position to support my son and give them a good life. So, understand that if you are unhealthy, even if you don’t care enough about yourself right now, if you have kids, you are more likely to pass on these traits to them if you’re taking bad care of yourself.
Chris:
Definitely are, yup.
Adam:
And I’ve seen that.
Chris:
That’s definitely true.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And last thing I’d say and bring up this point is my wife, too, works out. She works out every day, just like me, and together, that’s very helpful.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
So, I don’t go to a gym. I do a lot of online workouts and I’m in my basement so it relies on myself for my motivation, but I have her.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
We will mess with each other. I’m like, “Did you workout today?”
Adam:
Yeah, yeah.
Chris:
And she’ll be like, “Did you workout today?”
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And we do that. Now, we’ve gotten to a point where we can say that. Guys, be careful, don’t say to your wife, “Did you workout today?”
Adam:
Yes. Yeah, yeah. Read the room.
Chris:
But you get to a point where we know that we are each other’s motivation.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And if I see her on Saturday going down there for a workout, I’m going to think to myself, “Man, I got to go work out. I thought I was going to take a day off but I got to workout.” And not everybody has a partner that they live with but you can find a partner in your workout or you find somebody that can say, “What are you doing for your fitness?”
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And engage with others because it’s a good way to get you going and to share it with somebody. If you could be in your own household, it’s best.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And to reiterate the point about your son, I have a nine-year-old, he sees his mom and dad workout every day.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
Every single day.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
And he knows it’s a part of my morning. And he’ll grow up and it’s going to be natural for him to want to work out because he’ll know no different.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
It’s a part of her day when she gets home from work, it’s part of my day before I go to work.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
So, to him, part of a human’s day is working out and being active. So, not only am I setting myself up, I like to think that I’m setting up my kid for healthier decisions down the road because he won’t know any better or any different than what he sees-
Adam:
Oh, yeah.
Chris:
… so we control the environment.
Adam:
And if you really dig into that, understand that whatever predicament you’re in as an adult right now, if you’re someone who’s looking to lose a lot of weight or make changes in your life, that your opinion on what life is supposed to be like was formed at an early age. So, if you can understand that and, maybe, trace back the steps and take some time to actually do that mental work and go, “Okay, I’m not meant to be this way. I was just subconsciously told that this is the way you eat. So, this is all based on the decisions I’ve made. So, if I just make different decisions, I’ll get a different result.”
Chris:
Exactly.
Adam:
You have a son, I have a son, I know, for me, a big thing with us is making sure he’s not eating a bunch of processed foods. He’s only one but he hasn’t had processed sugar yet, none of that stuff because we’re trying to set him up for a healthy relationship with food to understand that it’s something that tastes good, there’s a social aspect to it because we have dinner together every night, me and my wife and my son. But at the end of the day, it is what you put in your body is going to affect you very much.
Chris:
Correct, correct.
Adam:
So, if you’re just shoving crap down there-
Chris:
No, I know. So, it’s take care of your own self and then in your own house and then, if you can do that, you’ll create an environment where people will thrive. When I grew up, again, I came from an Italian household, we were very family-oriented, we ate altogether, we ate good foods but no one was ever talking to me about processed foods and sugars and things like that. No one was ever talking to me about workouts or anything like that. I got into it because I was so skinny and I hated the fact that all my clothes would never fit me. I was always like, “I need to put some muscle on,” so I got into it that way and then backed into the fact that this is not only good for my body, how I look, but it’s good for how I feel. And so, now, I’m just trying to frame it that way for my kid. He’ll be like, “Why do you work out every day?” And I’ll say, “Because I don’t work out, I don’t feel good.”
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
I put it that way. I don’t ever say, “Because I want to be thin and I want to be strong.” I talk about strength, functional strength but I think it’s all more about because I don’t feel right, my day is not the same-
Adam:
Oh, yeah.
Chris:
… if I don’t work out during my day. So, I think there’s ways to speak about it.
Adam:
The communication is so important, man. Because again, we just said, the way you were communicated to as a child whether through words or body language or you just even action, formed your opinion as an adult. So, how you communicate to yourself as an adult, how you communicate to your partner and to your kids, it forms your reality. Like we were talking about earlier, your perception is reality, whether it’s real or not. If I wake up every day and tell myself that I suck, eventually I’m just going to believe that I suck.
Chris:
Right, that you suck, right.
Adam:
Yeah. So, I think how you communicate about your health and about fitness is very important because you can turn people off very quickly. And I’ve learned this as a trainer, in my younger days, I was always the stereotypical, probably douche trainer who’s was like, “There’s no excuses. Blah, blah, blah.” And as I’ve become a more mature trainer, a more mature coach, you understand you have meet people where they’re at. If I communicate to someone right off the bat, the first time I’m interacting with them and I started talking about macros and calories and all this stuff, I’m going to turn them off.
Chris:
Right.
Adam:
If I just talk about what decisions are you making right now that you’re unhappy with, what do you feel like you can do better, we start there.
Chris:
Yup.
Adam:
You know what I mean?
Chris:
Yeah.
Adam:
So, if you’re communicating to your children, “No, I can’t eat that, I’m on a diet,” you’re going to form their relationship with food as, “Oh, mom can eat that,” even if you tell them that they can. I’ve read this study recently, I can’t remember the name of it, but most body image issues that adults have or teenagers have is not because of the way the parents talk to the children about the children’s body, it’s the way that parents talk about themselves.
Chris:
Their own body, yes.
Adam:
Yes.
Chris:
Yup.
Adam:
So, no adult has ever called me chubby as a kid but I’ve seen adults around me in my life talk about how they were overweight and they hated the way they look in that picture. So, as a kid, it formed my opinion of having these body image issues-
Chris:
And kids hear everything-
Adam:
Everything.
Chris:
… you say. So, just remember, if you don’t think your kid hears what you say, they hear what you said.
Adam:
I feel like Adam Sandler in the Baby Daddy and he’s like, “The kid is always around.”
Chris:
Always around and always listening. Yo, man, this was really fun.
Adam:
Yeah.
Chris:
I appreciate the conversation. I hope everyone else out there enjoyed it. Before we go, if people are listening, they’re interested, they want to learn more about your business, where can they go to find out some more information?
Adam:
The best way to get more info is to just go to my Instagram, access @badgerstrength.
Chris:
Okay.
Adam:
B-A-D-G-E-R and then strength. And then from there, you’ll be able to find everything else. I have a podcast called Talking Fit with Adam Badger, it’s on Apple and Spotify. And I also have a free Facebook group that I run where I put a lot of coaching content, I do free Facebook lives and I work with people one-on-one for free. So, if you’re interested in any of that, just go to @badgerstrength on Instagram and you can find all that.
Chris:
All right, awesome. So, I want to thank everyone for joining. I want to thank Adam for coming on and doing the episode here. Just a reminder before we go, everything we talked about, if there are any links, we’ll put them in the show notes for you guys to access right there. Please subscribe, leave a review. I also want to thank our own Adam in Overit over at overitstudios.com. If you guys check out this setup and you like how it looks and you want to see how you might be able to use this awesome setup, you can contact Adam at overit@studios.com Hey, man, appreciate it. Thanks so much.
Adam:
I appreciate it, man. Thank you.